Brilliant interview. "Organic-ish" agriculture—no till, cover crops, crop rotations—not only builds up soil fertility comparatively quickly, but it also scales. It is also more profitable for farmers. One commodity farmer in Ohio now uses less than half as much diesel, about 1/8 the nitrogen fertilizer and less than 1/5 the amount of Round-up pesticide to grow his crops. But wait, there's more! "Growing a Revolution" quickly became one of my all-time favorite books when I read it last year. In fact, I wrote about: Lessons of the Lamp Post Garden: How a Healthy Soil Microbiome Can Slow Climate Change, Fix Agriculture & Make Just About Everything Better.